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Post by Nyaa-Neko on Jul 23, 2007 20:08:50 GMT -5
Alright, anybody who is online MUST reply to this. Or...well...I don't know. I just need feedback on the plot.
Basically, the plot isn't working. It's still in it's baby stages, so it could be modified, left alone, or canceled for a better one.
The staff (me included) wanted a plot that was site-wide (not isolated in one board), one that required you to explore (nobody really did this anyway, and we wanted to promote it), and one that wasn't so intuitive as "go here and beat this guy, then go here and beat this guy, then you win!"
Unfortunately, either the plot can't fit the boards, or the boards can't fit the plot. So far, we haven't really seen any progress in solving puzzles (yes, there are puzzles), and all that's really happened is NPC talk and theft.
I'd really rather not redo the entire forum, but I'll gladly redo the plot (since it's easier to cancel the plot than do all the work to redo the forum to fit something that might not be working).
What do people want to see in a plot? Do people want a plot at all? Is this plot okay, does it need to be modified, or should it be canceled? I want to know what you think. I'm all for waiting until the forum is finished (it's not - we're missing informational topics and stuff) to put in the plot, but I'm also all for letting it continue.
Also, how do you want the plot to be handeled, from your point of view? Do you want a plot board? Do you want an "evil team HQ" board, which I've seen on other sites (though they never actually have any posts in them)? Would you like a "beat this person, beat that person, that's all you have to do" plot? Or do you like puzzles? Are the puzzles we have up too hard?
Oh, and do you want theft and stuff happening to YOUR Pokemon, or do you want it to be a "hands-off" plot where nothing you have is altered in any way? As for NPCs, do you really care about character development? Because most of what I've been doing is developing the NPC characters, and I want to make sure it's worth the time it takes up.
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Post by Irae K Strife on Jul 23, 2007 20:15:00 GMT -5
I really do not care what happens! Why? Cause I'll generally go with just about anything. I personally hate puzzles but that's beside the point... Do what you wanna do with the plot! I already gave my permission in the other topic for that stuffs... so yah... nyaa!
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Jason-Kun
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Post by Jason-Kun on Jul 23, 2007 20:15:41 GMT -5
I personally think we don't NEED a plot. I also don't want one as it confuses things but that's just me. And even if I DID want a plot I think it should be all contained in a plot board. That and it shouldn't affect our prfiles in any way. As for plot ideas the one we have is to complicated as I can find. I think it should be more of a ystery/battle plot with BOTh puzzles AND people to fight. The current plot I don't like personally. That is all...
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Post by Nyaa-Neko on Jul 23, 2007 20:18:27 GMT -5
Alright, that's:
Yes: 0
No: 2
(Yeah, neutral = no in this case. If people don't care, then it's not worth my time.)
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Post by Ruin Queen of Oblivion on Jul 23, 2007 20:25:08 GMT -5
My opinion, return the stolen pokemon, and come up with a better plot, stealing your member's pokemon, even for a plot, is just wrong!
And give back poor Shasta.
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Post by Nyaa-Neko on Jul 23, 2007 20:28:33 GMT -5
Shasta was a plot Pokemon. If the plot goes, Shasta will probably be deleted along with the other characters.
So that's:
Yes: 0
No: 3
By the way, I took down all the boards I could that were heavily plot-related (and, not to mention, sorely unused). The only ones I couldn't were the Move Relearner's House, which might be needed by people who like to plan their attack sets strategically, or the Outer Island, which isn't mine (though nobody active really likes to post there, anyway).
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Post by FrozenFaust on Jul 23, 2007 20:29:00 GMT -5
Well, I can't really say much since nothing has happened to my char yet. And I can't really anything until something happens to them because it would make no stinkin' sense. I can't just have Faust randomly say 'I sure hope no thief comes by and steals my pokemon'. He is out on Route 1 while this is happening to other people's characters and wouldn't know. At the moment he is pretty isolated.
If something does happen then my character will need some sort of clues or hints to go by, even vague ones, just to point him in the right direction.
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Jason-Kun
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Post by Jason-Kun on Jul 23, 2007 20:29:38 GMT -5
I've got some more feedback as well. Instead of having a plot permission thread if you do a plot have a sign-up board for your character to roleplay signing up for the plot if it is something like herlping people.
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Post by Ruin Queen of Oblivion on Jul 23, 2007 20:30:56 GMT -5
Plot Pokemon or not, we should keep Shasta.
And Rain really needs her pokemon back, she's having a nervous breakdown because of it! I CAN'T HAVE MY TOP AGENT IN JENTA HAVE A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN!
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Post by MorriganFearn on Jul 23, 2007 21:07:50 GMT -5
Woah, wait, you mean I throw a Ruin-esque snit because of a piddling detail and some massive upheavals in RL that are affecting my emotional outlook on life and suddenly the plot's inoperable? After I spent so much time and energy dreamin' up maps of certain areas and figuring out with Persian how the massive amazin' two weeks of battle scene would work <gets out fluffy apron, and puts on harried mother look> I slave all day over this hot stove for you and this is the thanks I get?
Don't scrap the plot. For several reasons, both serious and amusing:
1) We've all put a ton of time into it. The "evil" mods creating the NCP's, you dealing with number generation, me making inaccurate highly westernized maps, all the admins figuring our what the evil people were going to do next. We had a massive site overhaul planned with tons of interesting shtuffs. To stop now is to take all that work and throw it out. You may be having another crisis of confidence, Nyaa, but just because you're all faint of heart doesn't mean that the rest of us don't want to win the fair lady. Speaking of which...
2) You'd better not delete the amusing interaction between Violet and Viola. Or Celyn, Violet, and Viola. Or Celyn and Samantha (easily the funniest misunderstanding on record).
3) Finally, you think that it's too hard for the members to figure out what to do? That's why we invented the fail-safe! Seriously, I think the members just got in a worst funk than I did for missing what was going on when I should have been here, and now won't bother to stir without a little prod from our Deus Ex Psychica.
4) When I was playing around with my profile options I accidentally demoted myself... -.- Although I like my negative zero karma, I miss begin able to giggle with you in the staff chat.
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Post by Ukesagi-tan on Jul 23, 2007 21:27:13 GMT -5
In my opinion, plots are awesome, and puzzles can really make one think. However, a site-wide plot hopping from board to board can be a tad confusing. Keeping it all in one area (apart from the main thing what's goin' on) would probably be a better idea.
What I mean is, have the main site, which is "go here, beat this, go there, beat that," and have the plot area as a category of its own, or a board of its own, where we could have different characters. Or, we could use the same characters, but it'd have no real effect on the main site, y'know?
I confused myself trying to explain my opinion, so I don't really expect anyone else to understand it... Just consider me a "Yes, but in a separate area" guy.
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Post by MorriganFearn on Jul 23, 2007 21:38:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I think my compile all of the plot hints post would really be useful. I like the plot happening all over the site at once. It means far more spontaneity. However, the plot board (although they DIE, just look at Delmara) isn't a bad idea if it was tweaked a little. If there was a board where we would copy all of the posts that pertained to the plot in the order that they happened for those who missed out, or would like to read it again -- that would work.
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Post by Nyaa-Neko on Jul 23, 2007 21:54:28 GMT -5
Not sure. I'll think about it. I was thinking about redoing the site anyway, and splitting it into two regions. People who want a simple journey with a "beat this, beat that, nothing more, nothing less" get one region, and the people who actually want to write characters, interact, and probably get better mod posts get the other one.
And the application is for them both. You fill it out with basic info, you get the "beat this, beat that" region. You actually write well, and you get access to the other region. You can still go in the "beat this, beat that" region (so you can have two characters), and you can RP it as well as you want to, but you don't have to.
I probably wouldn't care enough about the "beat this, beat that" region to make a bland "beat this, beat that" plot for it, but a plot similar to the one we were doing for awhile would be up for the "better" region.
How does that sound?
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Jason-Kun
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Post by Jason-Kun on Jul 23, 2007 21:57:17 GMT -5
Good to me. So can you add the C-Box back now?
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Post by Persian on Jul 23, 2007 21:57:23 GMT -5
That sounds like a loooooooot more work than you'll want to do, Nyaa. But it means that my job won't be in danger ^^. <runs off to googleTalk to tell Gyara-Gyara>
If you do that -- could we appoint other admins who don't mind dealing with the shudder worthy posts?
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Post by Ruin Queen of Oblivion on Jul 23, 2007 21:57:51 GMT -5
I don't know, it might work.
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Post by Persian on Jul 23, 2007 22:05:59 GMT -5
<hugs Apple>
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Post by Ruin Queen of Oblivion on Jul 23, 2007 22:09:54 GMT -5
I still want Rain's pokemon to be returned to her.
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Post by Nyaa-Neko on Jul 23, 2007 22:10:46 GMT -5
Sure. Then we get to go through all the members, and decide which get to go to each region. I'll probably make...well...actually, I dunno. Region 1 (the basic one) and Region 2 (the writing one)...should one of them be Jenta, so some people don't have to start over? Or should Jenta be a separate region, so everybody has to start over?
I'd rather Region 1 not be Jenta, because I think some people are turned away by the OMGSCARY group system.
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Post by Ruin Queen of Oblivion on Jul 23, 2007 22:12:43 GMT -5
Marie here, and I do have a suggestion.
How about for Region one, everyone suggests ideas for gyms and towns and stuff, and we all decide which are the best ones, and use those?
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